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Market => Rumor mill => Topic started by: ProfessorJW on February 27, 2012, 08:52 am
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First post under new identity!
To all SR users,
I am just posting here to establish my presence. I am here to [potentially] offer you access to some high-grade Methamphetamine produced by me, with my partners. We all have Chemistry or Chemical Engineering degrees from prestigious universities, not to be mentioned as to keep our anonymity and to not ruin the school's rep.
We have never made Methamphetamine with the process we plan on using (Electrolytic Hydrogenation), but we know all the reactions/processes involved very well and are generally overall well-trained chemists in the lab. You can be sure all the proper precautions necessary will be taken to remove any impurities and create the cleanest, most pure product for the customer. Note that this process requires very expensive equipment and also is limited to producing only small amounts at a time, so we are undertaking a lot in terms of creating a pure product, so don't expect us to be shelling out pounds of meth a month. Production will be especially slow when we first start and are learning, but may scale-up if all goes well.
I, the business side of the operation, am ProfessorJW. I have been on Silk Road ever since someone sent me a link to the gawker article written about it. Since then I've been a lurker with a few posts here and there on the forums. I also made purchases on another account, hence why I am creating a new identity to separate myself from my purchasing account. I figured with my chemistry background I could offer SR some of the safest and best Methamphetamine possible, and potentially other drugs in the future if I'm able to source the precursors. Unfortunately, I'm an academic, so I don't know much about sources in terms of chems on the DEAs 'watched' list. Pseudoephedrine is much easier to come by however.
Pricing/Distribution:
We would likely start vending no earlier than September/October. Not 100% sure on pricing & distribution yet, but as of right now, we'd prefer to keep quantities slightly higher if possible as to lower the total # of transactions (= more risk!).
We'd probably offer prices like this:
1g = $100 (promotional price until we're established);
1g = $150 after we're established
3.5g = $350
*All prices before SR fees.
Customer Service:
I offer you the promotional and final prices so to be straightforward in telling you that I'm going to raise the prices once people realize the quality/legitimacy. We aim to offer the most honest and professional service possible. However, we're all very busy people, so we expect this to be more of a side project and we reserve the right to stop accepting orders at abrubt times when real-life projects come up. All orders that are currently accepted will still be completed however. We will try to limit this halt in service, as well as give you a notice ahead of time when we're going to halt service whenever possible. I will do my best to be thorough in my responses to all questions you may have.
Packaging:
As a successful buyer off of the road I've learned packaging secrets from top vendors who have shipped me goods from all over the world. With this large of a sample size to draw from, I've shipped successfully to my friends all over the country different drugs from purchases I've made on SR. I know how to operate my vacuum sealer (Foodsaver ftw!), print labels, and mail properly, so you can rest assured that you'll be taken care of!
All mail will be shipped USPS first-class.
We would unfortunately limit shipping to within the US, as we don't wish to deal with customs.
Outro:
I just wanted to post early so that I could establish my new identity by the time I start to vend here on the road. You'll [hopefully if I have time] see me post around the forums now, since I'll mostly be using this account from now forward. I also have connections on numerous other drugs and could possibly offer those as well for short periods, but this is likely my only commercial plan for SR.
-The Professor
EDIT: To address the questions of those who have messaged me:
I will not make "insert product here" just because I have a solid background in chemistry and the deep-web drug market. Methamphetamine is
easy to produce, and as a busy person, I unfortunately cannot take on those tasks. If I'm established enough in my lab I may dabble when possible, but don't expect to see me consistently manufacture & sell anything other than Methamphetamine for a long while.
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I would like to step up and be the first to test your product.
:)
nomad bloodbath
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You'll be the first to get a sample once we start production.
Thanks for all you do Nomad.
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Sounds real professional, I like that.
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Awesome, too many organikers are scared of electrochemistry (I think it's all the maths :D ). I remember this being discussed on the hive back in the day, it'll be interesting to see how successful you are.
Have you also considered using phenylpropanolamine as the feedstock and offering enantiopure amphetamine?
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saying you are going to be vending in 7-8 months seems alittle premature but goodluck i guess
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Have you considered cooking up some MDMA or MDA? You'll definitely find an eager market for high quality domestic MDxx.
Better yet, can you make some mescaline? Please? ;D
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Awesome, too many organikers are scared of electrochemistry (I think it's all the maths :D ). I remember this being discussed on the hive back in the day, it'll be interesting to see how successful you are.
Have you also considered using phenylpropanolamine as the feedstock and offering enantiopure amphetamine?
Yeah I'm curious to see how successful we are as well. Obviously if it turns out that we aren't able to produce quality product, we'll call it off.
In terms of using PPA for amphetamine, I've heard of it used in this reaction as well, but I'm not able to find any good documentation of successes with it, so I'm hesitant until I know that it works, but I'd probably be interested in experimenting and definitely offering it. I personally prefer good Amphetamine to Methamphetamine anyways.
Also, PPA is a little harder to acquire (i think) than Pseudoephedrine. The only legal way in the US to get PPA that I know of is as pet meds. If there are any other sources, please let me know and I'll look into it. I haven't done much research in this area, so AFAIK pet meds could be a fine source for PPA.
saying you are going to be vending in 7-8 months seems alittle premature but goodluck i guess
As I said before, I'm just posting to establish my presence, I want people to know me by the time that I start vending. Also I may have small projects (LSD and coke) before then and might want to vend via this account for those things as well.
Have you considered cooking up some MDMA or MDA? You'll definitely find an eager market for high quality domestic MDxx.
Better yet, can you make some mescaline? Please? ;D
Making MDMA and MDA are a lot more work-intensive than Methamphetamine, which is why we're starting here. If we're successful we may very well venture into other areas, but as far as MDMA and MDA go, don't expect anything for awhile.
As for Mescaline, I can almost definitely offer that if there's a demand, I guess I never thought about it, but it's very easy for me to make and one of our chemists is very experienced in this area.
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As for samples: I'm not promising samples to anyone. I promised one to Nomad because he's the moderator here and does a lot for the community, so since I'm not producing yet, don't ask for samples months in advance.
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You'd make a killing by providing a steady supply of quality mescaline. Meth heads typically have a local connection, so while SR is great for them in terms of quality, it's not the only possible source.
For mescaline? Whenever a vendor puts up a batch here it flies off the shelves, because nobody ever has a local connection for that, and it's on just about everybody's "must try" list.
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Welcome to the Silk Road, I look forward to seeing your listings! Hopefully sooner than 7 months from now!
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yeah PPA was pulled by the FDA about 5 years ago, though as you said, it's available in pet meds and afaik it's still prescribed in Canada so shouldn't be too hard to get hold of.
If the electolytic reduction doesn't work and you're not keen on going down the Birch or RP/I route, straight up catalytic hydrogenation works well on this type of substrate and is super clean (have prepared pseudoephedrine derived Mannich catalysts using this method).
Anyhow, good luck and I'm usually around to talk chemistry :D
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yeah PPA was pulled by the FDA about 5 years ago, though as you said, it's available in pet meds and afaik it's still prescribed in Canada so shouldn't be too hard to get hold of.
If the electolytic reduction doesn't work and you're not keen on going down the Birch or RP/I route, straight up catalytic hydrogenation works well on this type of substrate and is super clean (have prepared pseudoephedrine derived Mannich catalysts using this method).
Anyhow, good luck and I'm usually around to talk chemistry :D
Once I set up the lab and start cooking, I would definitely be doing some experimenting down the path of Amphetamine, especially for those in the US who don't want to buy from the NL. Though profit-margins would probably be significantly lower on Amphetamine, and since Electrolytic Hydrogenation is a long process that only produces small quantities, our labor hours are probably best spent mostly on perfecting the Methamphetamine manufacture, especially to start.
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It seems a shame that your not going to be shipping to anywhere else but the US! Your EU cousins want to get their hands on some quality product too!!
Although I do understand the customs issue!!
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This is cool. However, be mindful of how much information you're leaking here. Despite the air of freedom, always remember this is a public forum, certainly monitored by LE. Your knowledge and command of chemistry is really impressive, but IMO, it's a ba-a-a-ad idea to be revealing your intended methods publicly. (I recommend you edit your post and remove it). Maybe I'm just being paranoid, but you're talking very specific methods with rare equipment which really helps intelligence efforts narrow in on you.
Also, may I suggest LSD manufacture. If profit incentive entices you, just compare your meth at $150/gram retail price vs $20k/gram, easy, wholesale.
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[quote author=ProfessorJAlso, PPA is a little harder to acquire (i think) than Pseudoephedrine. The only legal way in the US to get PPA that I know of is as pet meds. If there are any other sources, please let me know and I'll look into it. I haven't done much research in this area, so AFAIK pet meds could be a fine source for PPA.[/quote]
Take a look at the Akabori reaction. L-alanine and benzaldehyde react to yield PPA. Yields are low but the reagents are pretty cheap and the reaction is simple.
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Quality synthetic mescaline will sell like hotcakes. gammagoblin is the only guy I know of on SR selling it, and he can't keep it in stock more than a couple of days before it sells out.
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We would unfortunately limit shipping to within the US, as we don't wish to deal with customs.
Letter envelopes do not require customs forms into any Western country. Customs documents are to declare value on commercial goods. Grandma sending a birthday card to Sonny does not need to declare anything therefore there are no customs forms. She puts the envelope in the mailbox, done. College daughter in Canada/France/Lesotho writes parents in USA/Mexico/Australia, it's a letter, there are no customs forms, she puts it in the mailbox. Done.
wtf is this bullshit obsession with "customs"? THERE ARE NO CUSTOMS REQUIREMENTS.
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This is cool. However, be mindful of how much information you're leaking here. Despite the air of freedom, always remember this is a public forum, certainly monitored by LE. Your knowledge and command of chemistry is really impressive, but IMO, it's a ba-a-a-ad idea to be revealing your intended methods publicly. (I recommend you edit your post and remove it). Maybe I'm just being paranoid, but you're talking very specific methods with rare equipment which really helps intelligence efforts narrow in on you.
Also, may I suggest LSD manufacture. If profit incentive entices you, just compare your meth at $150/gram retail price vs $20k/gram, easy, wholesale.
I strongly appreciate the bit of advice, and I definitely considered this before releasing this info.
However, the focus of my service is honesty and quality. I want the customer to know exactly what they're getting. I plan on being extremely careful in sourcing my equipment and such, so I see no reason how anything could be linked to me. Add on top of that the 100% anonymity of TOR and you're pretty well-hidden.
Also, I plan on only selling to customers who have "proven themselves", I don't want to give a certain set of conditions because any LE could just meet those, but ultimately I'll decide whether or not to sell, and I plan on being pretty strict on this.
And finally, just because I can write a well-thought out post DOES NOT mean that I plan on being SR's next big Meth vendor. I am mostly funding my own purchases on SR (good way to use BTC from sales imo ;) ), and just providing those who want it the opportunity to try out some great product.
You'll never see my name with: xx.xx% feed back from 500+ transactions, so I wouldn't be a target so much as to research all my posts that in-depth. After all, these posts aren't facts and LE can't necessarily assume that I'm even telling the truth (nor can you guys)
As for LSD-manufacture, I've thought about it as a life-long goal, but one doesn't simply just set up an LSD lab and start churning out grams of Lucy.
We would unfortunately limit shipping to within the US, as we don't wish to deal with customs.
Letter envelopes do not require customs forms into any Western country. Customs documents are to declare value on commercial goods. Grandma sending a birthday card to Sonny does not need to declare anything therefore there are no customs forms. She puts the envelope in the mailbox, done. College daughter in Canada/France/Lesotho writes parents in USA/Mexico/Australia, it's a letter, there are no customs forms, she puts it in the mailbox. Done.
wtf is this bullshit obsession with "customs"? THERE ARE NO CUSTOMS REQUIREMENTS.
You don't have to declare anything extra, mail is just more closely looked at for drug traffic, and it also just increases the distance the package has to travel, which increases chance of it getting lost.
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Quality synthetic mescaline will sell like hotcakes. gammagoblin is the only guy I know of on SR selling it, and he can't keep it in stock more than a couple of days before it sells out.
I definitely haven't thought out the logistics of producing Mescaline, but this supposed demand that you suggest is enticing. I guess the biggest detail I overlooked in saying that it'd be easy is the source. I have no idea where I'm gonna get a ton of cacti. Any time my partner has made it, it has usually been in small quantities and/or for a specific occasion.
What kind of prices would people be expecting for Mescaline? The only reason I'd choose to offer it over Methamphetamine is if it's easier and/or has a bigger profit margin, and I have to look in to both.
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On re-reading my post, I omitted mentioning that a lot of vendors say they "won't ship internationally because of customs" and someone has made a post saying that *all* mail must have a declaration form. This repetitive error frustrates me and some others. That's why I wrote "wtf is this bullshit," which was not directed at you specifically but cast into the aether as an unfocused plaint. But you didn't know any of that because I didn't say it, so it looks like I was in YOUR face. Any reasonable person would read it that way. I wasn't, and I apologize.
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As for LSD-manufacture, I've thought about it as a life-long goal, but one doesn't simply just set up an LSD lab and start churning out grams of Lucy.
Why not? I know it's all played up like "The Holy Grail", but really it is just that: simply setup a lab and start churning out as much LSD as you can get your hands on of Ergotamine--THAT, to me, seems the hardest part, getting any of the potential Ergot alkaloid precursors. No, I take that back, the hardest part is getting over the mental attitude that you can't do it. You can. Easily. All you need is the Ergot. Granted, some of the most tightly controlled list I chemicals in the world. Sure, the lab requirements might be a hair above board, but hardly even a speed bump to trained chemists. I'm sure this isn't the only substance in the world requiring dark room conditions. In the old days, dudes--not even trained chemists--did this in their basements.
What hurts is that Ergot has no industrial uses at all and only minor pharmaceutical uses, what? migraine meds, inducing labor and post-partum bleeding. idk, are there more?
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As for LSD-manufacture, I've thought about it as a life-long goal, but one doesn't simply just set up an LSD lab and start churning out grams of Lucy.
Why not? I know it's all played up like "The Holy Grail", but really it is just that: simply setup a lab and start churning out as much LSD as you can get your hands on of Ergotamine--THAT, to me, seems the hardest part, getting any of the potential Ergot alkaloid precursors. No, I take that back, the hardest part is getting over the mental attitude that you can't do it. You can. Easily. All you need is the Ergot. Granted, some of the most tightly controlled list I chemicals in the world. Sure, the lab requirements might be a hair above board, but hardly even a speed bump to trained chemists. I'm sure this isn't the only substance in the world requiring dark room conditions. In the old days, dudes--not even trained chemists--did this in their basements.
What hurts is that Ergot has no industrial uses at all and only minor pharmaceutical uses, what? migraine meds, inducing labor and post-partum bleeding. idk, are there more?
Exactly, the ergotamine is the difficult part. To effectively produce, I'd need about an acre of rye to grow ergot on. An acre of ergot-infested rye isn't the most inconspicuous use of farmland. I also simply don't have the land to do this where I live.
Additionally, a lot more precautions have to be taken in the preparation of such an unstable and powerful molecule. I'd need safety equipment beyond what I have easy access to.
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It's actually done in batch fermenters, I doubt any of the handful of LSD chemists make their own ergotamine- central and Eastern Europe have plenty of trained biochemists ;)
There's no danger in the actual synthesis. Any of those new peptide coupling reagents (TFFH, pyBOP etc) or something like ethyl chloroformate + Et3N would do the trick. No epimerisation and easy workup. I bet you very few acid chemists even bother to column their $15k/g product. If you've done any natural product synthesis, this would be a cakewalk.
But yeah, good luck getting useable amounts of ET- I can't imagine extracting and isolating from 10000 cafergot tablets would be much fun.
I think your idea of passing a current through a solution of cold pills is more feasible! ;D
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PJW, I'm really sorry to have derailed your thread from the topic. It just gnaws at me all this effort that goes into meth labs and smuggling heroin, hash and coke into the US, and I think to myself, FUCK, don't these guys realize? A kilo of heroin has what, a street value of $250k? and that's the best of the bunch. Forget the "street value", lets say you're going for needlepoint at a ridiculously low 30% conversion and selling at a wholesale price of $15k/gram, that's a value of nearly $5 million a kilo (of ET, not LSD), street value $20 million easy.
Granted, the markets aren't the same. LSD doesn't have the same addiction profile. But *someones* gotta wake the fuck up and get it done. There's no excuse for the shortages and the endless scams and bunk shit. If money talks, LSD is screaming to be heard.
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PJW, I'm really sorry to have derailed your thread from the topic. It just gnaws at me all this effort that goes into meth labs and smuggling heroin, hash and coke into the US, and I think to myself, FUCK, don't these guys realize? A kilo of heroin has what, a street value of $250k? and that's the best of the bunch. Forget the "street value", lets say you're going for needlepoint at a ridiculously low 30% conversion and selling at a wholesale price of $15k/gram, that's a value of nearly $5 million a kilo (of ET, not LSD), street value $20 million easy.
Granted, the markets aren't the same. LSD doesn't have the same addiction profile. But *someones* gotta wake the fuck up and get it done. There's no excuse for the shortages and the endless scams and bunk shit. If money talks, LSD is screaming to be heard.
No worries for "derailing" my thread, it didn't serve any real purpose to begin with other than to introduce myself to the community. Might even change the thread title.
I agree with your analysis of the LSD-market, to an extent, but there are some factors you aren't recognizing.
1. People aren't putting effort into meth labs, that's WHY they're making meth labs, because they don't require effort (seriously a trained 5-year-old could make meth, not that you'd ever put a child in that [possibly dangerous] situation)
2. Smuggling coke, heroine, etc. - turns out, smuggling hard drugs from other countries is easier than effectively transporting crystal LSD. Crystal LSD is extremely unstable and this is the main reason batches turn out "bunk". When a simple mistake is made, 100s or sometimes even thousands of hits of LSD can be lost.
3. LSD production is not really at a low point. LSD distribution is what you actually have a problem with. There's tons of good cid available in the EU, and lots of good sources showing up around the US as well, but getting your hands on a source for that stuff is usually the problem. I've very rarely heard of LSD vendors that "run out" for reasons other than their source disappeared. These disappearances are common in a black market, and are also the cause of many "scams" here on SR. No seller who plans on leaving has any reason not to use his good standing to take advantage of buyers whom he is anonymous to.
And one you did recognize:
Demand. Demand is simply a lot lower for LSD. Yeah, it's nonaddictive, and that's a big reason drugs like heroine and cocaine win over LSD in terms of smuggling/distribution, but also because LSD plain scares the SHIT out of people. I've had friends who have nearly died from H withdrawals who say they will never try LSD because they're scared of it. Maybe in reality it's not actually that scary, but a huge portion of the population is brainwashed by the government to believe all these myths. (like you can be tested for LSD your entire life if you've done it - FALSE, or that it causes flashbacks - MOSTLY FALSE, or that it "changes" you forever - MOSTLY FALSE)
It's actually done in batch fermenters, I doubt any of the handful of LSD chemists make their own ergotamine- central and Eastern Europe have plenty of trained biochemists ;)
There's no danger in the actual synthesis. Any of those new peptide coupling reagents (TFFH, pyBOP etc) or something like ethyl chloroformate + Et3N would do the trick. No epimerisation and easy workup. I bet you very few acid chemists even bother to column their $15k/g product. If you've done any natural product synthesis, this would be a cakewalk.
But yeah, good luck getting useable amounts of ET- I can't imagine extracting and isolating from 10000 cafergot tablets would be much fun.
I think your idea of passing a current through a solution of cold pills is more feasible! ;D
Feel free to refer me to one of these said biochemists ;), but otherwise that doesn't do much for me in terms of sources.
Though I'm not 100% certain, I'm fairly sure that the LSD-chemist has to take extra precautions to ensure that he doesn't trip just based on the fumes emitted from reactions.
and what do you mean by "I think your idea of passing a current through a solution of cold pills is more feasible?" In terms of Meth manufacture? I tend to agree, obviously haha.
and wowzers, thanks for the tidbits, I appreciate having a fellow clandestine chemist to reference :) feel free to hit me up if you have any chem Qs!
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I'm just saying, all these guys smuggling large volumes of hard drugs, somebody needs to squeeze in a little ET and get it in the right hands. On the street is one thing, but here on SR we've seen LSD demand out rank anything else. Look at tony. His test sample of 10 sheets are damn near gonna sell out (at street value) even before the first delivery, lol.
True, small time meth labs take practically no effort. But your gonna cook and cook and cook continuously. And, yea, there's just way too much that can go wrong with smuggling crystal LSD. But if someone can get a single kilo of ET in your hands, the amount of effort per dollar is 100x less than you'd spend on the same value of meth manufacture. One cook, and you're good for a year or more, lol.
How does one contact professional smugglers? I'm surprised we don't see any cartel representations on SR after all this time.
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I'm just saying, all these guys smuggling large volumes of hard drugs, somebody needs to squeeze in a little ET and get it in the right hands. On the street is one thing, but here on SR we've seen LSD demand out rank anything else. Look at tony. His test sample of 10 sheets are damn near gonna sell out (at street value) even before the first delivery, lol.
True, small time meth labs take practically no effort. But your gonna cook and cook and cook continuously. And, yea, there's just way too much that can go wrong with smuggling crystal LSD. But if someone can get a single kilo of ET in your hands, the amount of effort per dollar is 100x less than you'd spend on the same value of meth manufacture. One cook, and you're good for a year or more, lol.
How does one contact professional smugglers? I'm surprised we don't see any cartel representations on SR after all this time.
I do agree, wouldn't it be nice if one of those thousands of kilos of cocaine smuggled per year was instead a kilo of ET that fell into the right hands? Unfortunately smugglers and trained organic chemists are very far spread in the underground drug network.
Until a big chunk of ET arrives in my mailbox (with SR, who knows when this may be ;] ), I'll stick with what's available.
Sure would be interesting if some skilled agriculturist started putting up listings on the road.